NASCAR Legend Jeff Gordon On His Love Of F1 And More | Beyond The Grid | Official F1 Podcast

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A very special guest on this week's podcast - NASCAR legend and motorsport icon Jeff Gordon! He discusses his love of F1, how close he came to joining the F1 grid, the differences between F1 racing and NASCAR, his friendship with Lewis Hamilton and more...

Topics in this episode:
0:00 - Even to a NASCAR champ, F1 cars are something special
7:27 - ‘Mindboggling!’: when Jeff drove an F1 car at Indianapolis
16:56 - How close did Jeff come to an F1 race drive?
24:51 - Jeff on Jimmie Johnson’s ‘tough’ switch from NASCAR to IndyCar
30:00 - Could Jeff’s friend Lewis Hamilton win in NASCAR?
35:34 - ‘Confidence, humility and work ethic’: how to be a ‘serial winner’
40:13 - Like Hamilton and Rosberg? Jeff’s rivalry with teammate Jimmie Johnson
45:29 - Who’s the best driver Jeff ever raced against?
56:52 - Why Jeff’s loving Red Bull vs Mercedes in 2021
1:03:31 - Tom reads your messages about Roberto Moreno’s emotional Beyond The Grid interview

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  1. meownow21
    meownow21
    Před 21 minutou

    legend

  2. Mr Ducky Boy
    Mr Ducky Boy
    Před 30 minutami

    Its so cool to see the only NASCAR driver I really like is into F1

  3. Doug Parker
    Doug Parker
    Před 7 hodinami

    A line up of Stewart and Gordon or even Jimmy Johnson would be quite the threat to any team currently.

  4. Doug Parker
    Doug Parker
    Před 7 hodinami

    Maybe Gordon replaces bottas at AMG in 2024?

  5. dana gilkey
    dana gilkey
    Před 13 hodinami

    Jeff Gordon picking NASCAR over Indy car was huge.

  6. AISUYU
    AISUYU
    Před 18 hodinami

    Great interview of the GOAT of NASCAR.

  7. Chris Lane
    Chris Lane
    Před dnem

    The NASCAR driver that have driven F1 cars were always more amazed at how well the breaks worked rather than the HP.

  8. Justin LaNoue
    Justin LaNoue
    Před dnem

    At the very least, F1 should have Jeff on as a guest broadcaster sometime for a Grand Prix

  9. Ryan Jensen
    Ryan Jensen
    Před dnem

    You know he loves the sport when he doesn't want to stop talking about it

  10. NASCARFAN93100
    NASCARFAN93100
    Před dnem

    Jeff Gordon will forever be the GOAT

  11. Tommy Depoorter
    Tommy Depoorter
    Před dnem

    Dissowned by official Belgian, your wife will be saying WUK Jeff ;)

  12. Mk6J
    Mk6J
    Před dnem

    So you’re telling me it’s not that hard to drive an F1 car?

    1. Sledgehammer K35
      Sledgehammer K35
      Před dnem

      He said it was easier to drive than a Cup car because it did everything he wanted it to do. But he also said he wasn’t pushing the car to it’s absolute limit and that it takes incredible skill to even find an F1 car’s limit.

  13. CletusNifler
    CletusNifler
    Před dnem

    Jeff was lovin talkin about f1

  14. Jordan Graff
    Jordan Graff
    Před dnem

    I often viewed Jeff as an F1 driver amongst his NASCAR peers..... Truly feel like he's THE most talented driver ever in NASCAR..... And no, I'm not at all a Jeff Gordon fan.....

  15. A Sabry
    A Sabry
    Před dnem

    "My neck couldn't handle it" Jeez...

  16. ty gibbs
    ty gibbs
    Před dnem

    Indy car is so much more fun and entertaining to watch.

  17. mark gonsalves
    mark gonsalves
    Před 2 dny

    I wish that every F1 Grand prix would be as exciting as Baku. Unlike last race Monaco.

  18. Leonides Barceló
    Leonides Barceló
    Před 2 dny

    Legend!!!!

  19. Dave Marshall
    Dave Marshall
    Před 2 dny

    Never forget, Gordon would have 8 championships if they never changed the point system.

    1. Roughmont Diecast reviews
      Roughmont Diecast reviews
      Před dnem

      @Jimmy Roberts sometimes we have had the guy that would have won in the old format win in the the playoffs. Kyle Busch in 2019

    2. Simone Burini
      Simone Burini
      Před 2 dny

      But at the same time, credit needs to be given to Jimmie Johnson for having figured out the system better than anyone else. I think that he would have pushed a lot more and won more races if he had to. But he didn't have to. Also: he won championship with multiple different points systems.

    3. Jimmy Roberts
      Jimmy Roberts
      Před 2 dny

      Excellent point. That's why there's a part of me that views Matt Kenseth as the last true champion in 2003.

  20. Chris Floyd
    Chris Floyd
    Před 2 dny

    I really hope he becomes an American ambassador of sorts for F1. I love it but it just isn't as popular stateside and I have no one to talk to about it

  21. layoutman69
    layoutman69
    Před 2 dny

    Hendricks Motorsports has 600 employee's that's big for a stock car operation. Impressive

  22. m73jaredII
    m73jaredII
    Před 2 dny

    I was preparing for a whole bunch of NASCAR hate comments. Glad to see none here so far

    1. m73jaredII
      m73jaredII
      Před 21 hodinou

      @McLarenMercedes I fully agree. Motorsport is Motorsport at the end of the day. Sure the vehicles, tracks, technology, and rules might all vary but it’s still racing at the highest level of those specific types of Motorsport. I respect it all doesn’t mean I have to bash anything with no knowledge of the person or type of racing that they’re in

    2. McLarenMercedes
      McLarenMercedes
      Před dnem

      Hate comments are 90% kids, 9% bitter folks with other issues and 1% may have something valid or interesting to say. There's enough hatred and disrespect directed towards motor racing in general so the way I see it's quite sad to to see all this bickering within ourselves when there should be mutual respect. A lot of people still claim that "motor racing kills people" yet we see a lot more deaths in baseball where 4-5 kids die each year due to head-injuries whilst playing the game and over 100 equestrians (horse riders) die every year from head-injuries.

  23. SiVlog
    SiVlog
    Před 2 dny

    It's a pity we didn't get to see Jeff Gordon competing in F1, but for those who look up his record in NASCAR, his career was amazing. :)

  24. Jesse Albert
    Jesse Albert
    Před 3 dny

    imagine if we had a combination of Stewart-Haas and Hendick combined to make a competitive American F1 car

  25. Sulphurous
    Sulphurous
    Před 3 dny

    I really wonder sometimes how different things would have been for both sports if Jeff Gordon jumped ship. All of those things that he did later in his cup career would have never happened. What would have happened in F1? Would he have gone back to stock cars or stuck around?

  26. John Cochran
    John Cochran
    Před 3 dny

    I started watching F1 last year and I'm just completely fascinated by it. I'm American btw and 26. I watched NASCAR growing up but F1 has taken my heart in the racing entertainment. The first driver that caught my eyes were Lando Norris and Max Verstappen. I love seeing the under dogs win and seeing the process from the bottom to the top.

  27. Taylor Irwin
    Taylor Irwin
    Před 3 dny

    Jimmie Johnson is the “Hamilton” of NASCAR - please interview him! As a side note - imagine if Hendrick got into F1, I’d love that.

  28. Idris Corvus
    Idris Corvus
    Před 3 dny

    The only driver in the modern Generation to ever shared a track with Richard Petty himself

  29. Live Life Exotic
    Live Life Exotic
    Před 3 dny

    BUY HAAS!!!! bump this comment up to the top my friends!!!!!! BUY HAAS! Lesss Goooooo! Come on everyone spam the comments with me!! GET THIS TO THE TOP! Gordon Buy Haas!! Show Gene how its done!

  30. Anthony
    Anthony
    Před 3 dny

    I really hope Jeff gets a team in F1 or becomes a part of it somehow. I am from the US so I might have bias, but during the pandemic and such, I've become more in love with F1 because of the cars and overall the entire scene. I do love NASCAR because the winners aren't always the same (like it almost always is in F1), however the F1 cars just excite me more. If anyone follows NASCAR and knows Chase Elliot, my favorite driver for the #9 NAPA car and on Jeff Gordon's team (Hendrick Motorsports), he is probably the best road course driver around. I'd LOVE if Chase gave F1 a chance in a blue and yellow NAPA F1 car at least in some of the sprint races where stuff doesn't count.

    1. Jimmy Roberts
      Jimmy Roberts
      Před 2 dny

      Want different winners check out Indycar this year. 7 races and 7 different winners. 4 of which were first time winners.

  31. Live Life Exotic
    Live Life Exotic
    Před 3 dny

    BUY HASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!

  32. DoriDori
    DoriDori
    Před 3 dny

    I honestly believe Gordon would've been a great F1 driver if given the chance. Who knows, he could've been the first American born F1 driver to win a race since Peter Revson in '73.

  33. Anne Rud
    Anne Rud
    Před 3 dny

    Amazing interview. Loved every moment.

  34. Cyril Abiteboul /Dilan
    Cyril Abiteboul /Dilan
    Před 3 dny

    PLEASE LET HIM RACE IN 2022

  35. Ronnie Florentino
    Ronnie Florentino
    Před 3 dny

    Love this and Jeff Gordon! Hoping for a F1 race in California soon!! :D

  36. J Cooper
    J Cooper
    Před 3 dny

    Not a fan but Kyle Busch could replace a number of F1 drivers right now and be quicker within 3 races. kyle larson as well

  37. Fernando Soares
    Fernando Soares
    Před 3 dny

    I Saw Jeff gordon in the movie ''Herbie''(2005), i saw this guy is TOP⬆ on the tracks! 🏎🏎🏁🏁

  38. Carbon Crank
    Carbon Crank
    Před 3 dny

    I'm surprised Jeff didn't have more to say about Rick Hendrick.

  39. toastnjamtnj
    toastnjamtnj
    Před 3 dny

    Mario Andretti is the Americas GOAT. No debate required. Killed it in multiple championships.

  40. Vanessa H
    Vanessa H
    Před 4 dny

    I like bringing in guest from other racing categories to broaden our horizons and maybe chip away a little at the sense of superiority in the F1 community that F1 is definitely and absolutely the best racing series and nothing will ever come close to that. This way of thinking can be so limiting to our passion for motorsports. And when you really branch out a little to drivers who haven't quite made it to actually racing in F1, may I suggest Dario Franchitti and Sam Bird? Or maybe drivers formerly in the Red Bull programme who didn't quite get their shot. And JEV would be interesting to hear from, especially how he went from being dropped by Red Bull/Toro Rosso to Formula E and become a double champion there. And I would be super interested in Sebastien Bourdais who suffered a similar fate at Toro Rosso, but had a lot of success in Indycar. There are just so many people who had there hearts broken in F1, but prospered in other racing categories that are more of level plain field between teams and competitors

  41. Nigel Mario Campbell
    Nigel Mario Campbell
    Před 4 dny

    Had to do a double take seeing Jeff Gordan's face on the Beyond the grid podcast. But this is exciting.

  42. Confidence is the answer
    Confidence is the answer
    Před 4 dny

    Would love to see more driver cross over such as Montoya from Indycar to F1 to NASCAR and endurance racing. Kimi to NASCAR. Now recently Grosjean to Indycar. Like the old F1 drivers who would cross over to race in different series.

  43. Marco Lassandro
    Marco Lassandro
    Před 4 dny

    A great episode, I’d never heard of this test before. Listening to him reminded me of Valentino Rossi’s test with Ferrari. I think that it’d be awesome to have ‘the doctor’ as a guest one day!

  44. Brett
    Brett
    Před 4 dny

    Imo Jeff Gordon is the most talented driver in American racing history. One of the only stock car drivers who could easily hop into an F1 or Indycar and be successful.

    1. Roughmont Diecast reviews
      Roughmont Diecast reviews
      Před dnem

      Him and Stewart could jump in anything and get a hang if it within 1 hour.

    2. Simone Burini
      Simone Burini
      Před dnem

      @Brett fair point

    3. Brett
      Brett
      Před 2 dny

      @Simone Burini true both are very natural drivers but imo Gordon was just different. The way he came in and flipped the entire sport on its head was crazy. NASCAR would’ve never became as mainstream without Gordon. He was the sports fist marketable driver.

    4. Simone Burini
      Simone Burini
      Před 2 dny

      AJ Foyt and Mario Andretti (even if he wasn't born in the US)?

    5. Jimmy Roberts
      Jimmy Roberts
      Před 2 dny

      Agree. I would also put Tony Stewart as a close second. Indy Racing League and 3X NASCAR Cup Series champion.

  45. Jraybay
    Jraybay
    Před 4 dny

    Great podcast!! : D

  46. 100MPH Selfies
    100MPH Selfies
    Před 4 dny

    I never thought of a Nascar driver on BTG. What's next Barack Obama?

  47. Brett McNear
    Brett McNear
    Před 4 dny

    It's too late for him do do it now but I wish he had of done it. F1 history may look very different if he did.

  48. Full of Mischief
    Full of Mischief
    Před 4 dny

    I may be a new F1 fan but I consume ALL of it. I watch every practice and qualifying and plan my days around a race weekend. Really loving the sport. Even try to educate myself on the engineering involved but it's quite a learning curve.

  49. lau
    lau
    Před 4 dny

    I would love to see at least two American drives in F1. I believe they have so much pure talent even without F1 preparation infrastructure in the US.

  50. wraitheful
    wraitheful
    Před 4 dny

    Mr. Gordon would be most welcome at the helm of a new F1 team.

  51. Samuel Suen
    Samuel Suen
    Před 4 dny

    Next time: Scott Dixon

  52. The White Recluse
    The White Recluse
    Před 4 dny

    "Stock cars do everything you want them to do. Formula 1 cars do everything you WISH they could do, and then some."

  53. Thedude1983
    Thedude1983
    Před 4 dny

    He woulda been America’s best choice for F1

  54. Nick Nigro
    Nick Nigro
    Před 4 dny

    I think Chase Elliott should look into F1. I think he is one of the best right now on road courses and could move that over to the f1 world.

    1. Jimmy Roberts
      Jimmy Roberts
      Před 2 dny

      What I find interesting is that Jeff Gordon said he didn't grow up road racing. With Chase Elliott there's people like his dad Bill that have said he doesn't know where Chase got that road course talent from. They both became great road racers despite not being brought up in it.

  55. Micro Soft
    Micro Soft
    Před 4 dny

    lets be real here....f1 would be nothing without tom and beyond the grid.

  56. Sleepy .Time
    Sleepy .Time
    Před 4 dny

    Jeff has always been such an outstanding driver and seemingly a really, really nice guy.

  57. clay landry
    clay landry
    Před 4 dny

    If you wanna be accurate, he was really the Sebastian Vettel of Nascar and Jimmy Johnson was the Lewis Hamilton He’s a legend and would’ve won more championships if it wasn’t for Jimmy Johnson being more of a legend, just like like Vettel and Hamilton

    1. Jimmy Roberts
      Jimmy Roberts
      Před 2 dny

      Jeff Gordon knew how to turn right. Jimmie Johnson not so much.

  58. Random Gamer
    Random Gamer
    Před 4 dny

    I have the honor of going to school with his son

  59. JoshuaW_2
    JoshuaW_2
    Před 4 dny

    Very surprised and proud there isn’t tons of unnecessary hate for nascar in the comments :D Nascar isn’t even that bad I don’t understand all the hate

  60. miguel cardoso
    miguel cardoso
    Před 5 dny

    NASCAR got me to F1 so happy to hear this

  61. cliffthelightning
    cliffthelightning
    Před 5 dny

    I'd love to see Junior on the podcast at one point, or Daniel going on his podcast for that matter. Nascar is way more technical and legit then most f1 fans give it credit for. Sincerely, a european F1 and newbie Nascar fan!

  62. Salman Azam
    Salman Azam
    Před 5 dny

    Seeing this reminded me of Jimmie Johnson's video on how Indy ignited a passion for F1 inside him... Also, in Top Gear's S18E02, Juan Montoya said that to drive, obviously nothing on earth is like a Formula 1 car. But these (NASCAR cars) are a lot more unpredictable... F1 is certainly the most prestigious racing competition in the world, but NASCAR is equally brilliant in its own way. And please do not start a debate between the two now...

  63. Gabriel Silva
    Gabriel Silva
    Před 5 dny

    We need a beyond the grid episode with Hélio Castroneves, the guy just made history last week winning his 4th indy 500, i'm sure it will be a great episode!!

  64. Daniel Martin
    Daniel Martin
    Před 5 dny

    Great one !

  65. if off brand was a person
    if off brand was a person
    Před 5 dny

    well in 2003 they had traction control but i think in 2005 they took it if im wrong correct me pls.

  66. Jean Pierre Chatein De Risi Sena.
    Jean Pierre Chatein De Risi Sena.
    Před 5 dny

    Jaffa Gorfon + Jedde Gerden = Goodbye Jeff Gordon.

  67. Lurcher260
    Lurcher260
    Před 5 dny

    That was a great chat with Jeff! Can you do a podcast with Nigel Stepney next?

  68. Jacob Terherst
    Jacob Terherst
    Před 5 dny

    Jeff named many teammates and competitors but didn’t have the respect to name his 1996 Winston Cup Championship winning teammate, Terry Labonte? Is he bitter he was beaten by a “one armed man in a backup car”?

    1. Jimmy Roberts
      Jimmy Roberts
      Před 2 dny

      I noticed the same thing. When I was a kid Terry and Bobby Labonte were my favorite drivers. I was biased. Being a proud Texan I picked them because they were from Corpus Christi, Texas. Plus I liked the Tony The Tiger car as well as the Corn Flakes car.

  69. Rob F
    Rob F
    Před 5 dny

    PUT KYLE LARSON IN F1

  70. Mr Serrano
    Mr Serrano
    Před 5 dny

    As an American fan of F1, this was awesome. On a side note this season is terrific so far!

  71. Andrew C.
    Andrew C.
    Před 5 dny

    Jeff Gordon is one of the greatest drivers ever. A phenomenal talent who would have succeeded in any series in any era.

  72. Universal Gamer 101
    Universal Gamer 101
    Před 5 dny

    My favourite NASCAR driver of all time

  73. Joe Howard
    Joe Howard
    Před 5 dny

    Love the details on braking and even a mention to trail braking

  74. John Vaughan
    John Vaughan
    Před 5 dny

    We need an American driver and more importantly an American world champion lol

    1. NavyGhost24
      NavyGhost24
      Před 3 dny

      @John Vaughan also they have to be part of a driver academy to be seen a legitimately talented, we do not need another mazepin rich dad scenario but American

    2. John Vaughan
      John Vaughan
      Před 4 dny

      @NavyGhost24 ya that’s mad true. It’s a combination of factors

    3. NavyGhost24
      NavyGhost24
      Před 4 dny

      @John Vaughan I feel like that is due to the financial difficulty of racing in Europe

    4. John Vaughan
      John Vaughan
      Před 4 dny

      @Eduardo Calvillo ya you right, they only mostly care ab nascar and Indycar

    5. Eduardo Calvillo
      Eduardo Calvillo
      Před 4 dny

      We have 2 canadiens , Lance and Lafitti, Americans are under rated. I feel like Americans drivers don't care about F1

  75. Richard Poliah
    Richard Poliah
    Před 5 dny

    One of the greatest drivers to grace a track and a great guy all round.

  76. Jelo Feliciano
    Jelo Feliciano
    Před 5 dny

    this just makes me want to hear more from both Jeff and also Jimmie also Tony Stewart about their car swaps

  77. Still I Rise4485
    Still I Rise4485
    Před 5 dny

    Been waiting for this never knew it would come!

  78. Hobson McMaster
    Hobson McMaster
    Před 5 dny

    imagine if he took the f1 route instead of nascar

  79. Duncan L
    Duncan L
    Před 5 dny

    Appreciate Tom's work in this episode. Jeff started off the episode in media mode, but Tom quickly managed to break open that shell.

  80. Str8 Cash
    Str8 Cash
    Před 5 dny

    Jeff Gordon was hated when he got to Nascar. He wasn't a southern boy like the rest of them.

  81. david orama
    david orama
    Před 5 dny

    Doesn’t get up at 3am to watch F1. Smart. I wish I was as smart as Jeff Gordon. LOL

  82. Denny Hamlin
    Denny Hamlin
    Před 5 dny

    Coming around the final turn they'll remember his name jeff Gordon the winner of the inaugural brickyard 400

  83. Annabel Patrick
    Annabel Patrick
    Před 5 dny

    Despite the economic crisis, now it's still the best time to invest in cryptocurrency.

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      pinned by JMac Învestment.
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      Triple Son
      Před 5 dny

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      Triple Son
      Před 5 dny

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    4. pinned by JMac Învestment.
      pinned by JMac Învestment.
      Před 5 dny

      How can i reach him?

    5. Keith Lye
      Keith Lye
      Před 5 dny

      He's really amazing with an amazing skills he changed my 0.6btc to 2.1btc.

  84. Mikhail Johan
    Mikhail Johan
    Před 5 dny

    JEFF GORDON IS AN F1 FAN?!? -A very excited American

  85. Erix Pizano
    Erix Pizano
    Před 5 dny

    What is "nascar"?

  86. a indonesian
    a indonesian
    Před 5 dny

    Jeff gordon Career nascar ???-2015 Im forget

    1. BlackSheep
      BlackSheep
      Před 5 dny

      1992

  87. Video game Valley
    Video game Valley
    Před 5 dny

    epic conversation

  88. Brandan Hall
    Brandan Hall
    Před 5 dny

    4 Championships 3 Daytona 500s 3 Coke 600s 5 Brickyard 400s 6 Southern 500s 2017 Rolex 24hours winner 9 Wins on road courses (most all time) 93 total victories (3rd all time)

    1. Eduardo Calvillo
      Eduardo Calvillo
      Před 4 dny

      93 races wins, 81 Poles, 790 consecutive races in any category

  89. Big g
    Big g
    Před 5 dny

    Oh man that was a great interview thanks for interview different drivers in different sports, I am a Dale Earnhardt Junior fan but I surely respect Jeff Gordon. Thanks for the interviews keep them coming can't get enough great job.

  90. Jeremy Marcus
    Jeremy Marcus
    Před 5 dny

    Am I the only one who would love to see Jeff commentating with Crofty when F1 comes to COTA?

  91. this is my viewing channel
    this is my viewing channel
    Před 5 dny

    Jeff Gordon should buy HASS

  92. SoloXFuRy
    SoloXFuRy
    Před 5 dny

    There’s traction control in the f1 car??

    1. Simone Burini
      Simone Burini
      Před 2 dny

      Traction control was introduced by Ferrari in 1990. It was banned in 1994 but allowed again some years later. In the end, it was banned in 2008 and still is.

    2. TheLegend
      TheLegend
      Před 3 dny

      There used to be

  93. Mj
    Mj
    Před 5 dny

    This makes me happy, my favorite driver in Nascar, always will be.

  94. TheAzuncazunc
    TheAzuncazunc
    Před 5 dny

    As a NASCAR fan as well, this is awesome! Thank you!

  95. gman6862
    gman6862
    Před 5 dny

    What a great podcast! Jeff is a great down to earth guy!

  96. Black Flags Matter
    Black Flags Matter
    Před 5 dny

    YOOO had to do a doubletake. Cool seeing one of the greatest in NASCAR history on the podcast!

    1. Mike Edmunds
      Mike Edmunds
      Před 4 dny

      Hey! I love your channel

  97. Jan Brady
    Jan Brady
    Před 5 dny

    I feel bad for always wrecking Jeff Gordon on purpose in the NASCAR games when I was a kid.

  98. Lars F1
    Lars F1
    Před 5 dny

    I love when the paths of like IndyCar & F1 cross or NASCAR and F1 in this case, people are always talking trash on the other series, but why? You should have massive respect, RACING IS A BROTHERHOOD

    1. Dorian
      Dorian
      Před dnem

      Amen brotha!

    2. Christian Smith
      Christian Smith
      Před 5 dny

      Agree 100%. Even as an American, I used to have a less than flattering view on NASCAR and always preferred open wheel formulas like F1 and IndyCar. But over a time, I’ve come to appreciate it. Racing is just great, man. All of it.

    3. Samuel McNeill
      Samuel McNeill
      Před 5 dny

      This exactly

  99. CAP- 24
    CAP- 24
    Před 5 dny

    YOPP

  100. S2 robotics
    S2 robotics
    Před 5 dny

    Its moments like thesse that make F1 fans who hate Nascar unite with Nascar fans who hate F1 in a peaceful way that's not insulting each other over their opinions